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       GLOWBUGS Digest 11

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Tube ID. 
 by shiso@ici.net (Bruce Gavin /KD1MW)
  2) GB: 6T9 xmtr
 by Jeffrey Herman <jherman@hawaii.edu>
  3) Identificationmarkings
 by p.holtham@mailbox.uq.oz.au
  4) Re: Identificationmarkings
 by "Greg Parsons A.K.A. Rat" <gregp@galileo.mis.net>
  5) Re: Identificationmarkings
 by Jeffrey Herman <jherman@hawaii.edu>
  6) Tubes free(almost) 
 by dmedley@indirect.com (David Medley)
  7) Re: identificationmarkings
 by MICHAEL@ecs.umass.edu
  8) EASYTRAX drawing program.
 by The2X4@aol.com
  9) GB- xtal protection / homebrew tubes
 by Duncan Cadd <dcadd@luc.ac.be>
 10) Looking for a choke...
 by Greg Wasik <greg@willie.nl.nuwc.navy.mil>
 11) Re: Looking for a choke...
 by clarke@next3.acme.ist.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke)
 12) RE: GB- xtal protection
 by "Gable, Edward M" <emg@rfpo2.rfc.comm.harris.com>
 13) Re: Looking for a choke...
 by pmills@cyberhouse.com (Phil Mills)
 14) QRP
 by Conard Murray <cfm@tntech.edu>
 15) RE: Looking for a choke...
 by "Gable, Edward M" <emg@rfpo2.rfc.comm.harris.com>
 16) qrp...qro...voa?
 by cfm@tntech.edu
 17) GB Transformer winding
 by thaake@bsm2ee1.attmail.com (thaake)
 18) Re: Looking for a choke...
 by djw@unlinfo.unl.edu (Daniel Wright)
 19) Re: Looking for a choke...
 by hawley@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Chuck Hawley)
 20) Re: Looking for a choke...
 by Jeffrey Herman <jherman@hawaii.edu>
 21) Transmitting Tubes
 by dmedley@indirect.com (David Medley)
 22) Eimac Y514, ID
 by shiso@ici.net (Bruce Gavin /KD1MW)

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 20:19:56 EST
>From: shiso@ici.net (Bruce Gavin /KD1MW)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Tube ID. 
Message-ID: <9511070119.AA25446@ici.net>

        Can anybody ID a tube made by ITT, it's a 5948A, flange mount with
wire lead-outs at base, has plate cap,total hight is arround 15 inches.



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Date:  Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:00:23 -1000
>From: Jeffrey Herman <jherman@hawaii.edu>
To: Glowbugs List <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Subject: GB: 6T9 xmtr
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.91.951106165632.27770A-100000@uhunix3>

The 6T9 xmtr I mentioned before could possibly be classed as a
"rock crusher". Someone else mentioned placing some resistance
in series with the xtal to limit the voltage. Any suggestions
as to what resistance one should start with?

Jeff NH6IL

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:22:42 +1000
>From: p.holtham@mailbox.uq.oz.au
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Identificationmarkings
Message-ID: <v01510100acc48da61628@[130.102.44.35]>

My first post to the list - I hope I have done it right.

I have a box of old tubes (valves) here, many of which have lost their
identification markings. The markings seem to be some sort of white paint
which is easily scratched off. Is their anything I can do to identify them
or should they just go to the dump? I vaguely remember reading somewhere
that the old markings could be enhanced/detected by spraying 'something' on
to the glass, rather in the manner of dusting for finger prints I suppose,
but it was a long time ago.

Anyone got any ideas what the 'something' is, or is it just a case of
faulty memory on my part?

Cheers,

Peter, VK4COZ



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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 00:02:29 +0500
>From: "Greg Parsons A.K.A. Rat" <gregp@galileo.mis.net>
To: p.holtham@mailbox.uq.oz.au
Cc: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: Identificationmarkings
Message-ID: <9511070502.AA11424@galileo.mis.net>

At 10:51 PM 11/6/95 -0600, you wrote:
>My first post to the list - I hope I have done it right.
>
>I have a box of old tubes (valves) here, many of which have lost their
>identification markings. The markings seem to be some sort of white paint
>which is easily scratched off. Is their anything I can do to identify them
>or should they just go to the dump? I vaguely remember reading somewhere
>that the old markings could be enhanced/detected by spraying 'something' on
>to the glass, rather in the manner of dusting for finger prints I suppose,
>but it was a long time ago.
>
>Anyone got any ideas what the 'something' is, or is it just a case of
>faulty memory on my part?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Peter, VK4COZ
>
>
>
>

Peter,
 The way I find out what was on the valve/tube is to breath on it and fog
it, like you would a mirror, then look at it, sometimes, but not always, you
can read what was there at one time. hope this helps you out.

73,
 Greg
 KE4OOO


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Date:  Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:08:55 -1000
>From: Jeffrey Herman <jherman@hawaii.edu>
To: p.holtham@mailbox.uq.oz.au
Subject: Re: Identificationmarkings
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.91.951106190557.5366A-100000@uhunix3>

Placing them in the refrigerator was supposed to help - apparently
the residue left on the tube where the markings were will not frost
up but the rest of the tube will.

Any other suggestions?

Jeff NH6IL

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:09:36 -0700
>From: dmedley@indirect.com (David Medley)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Tubes free(almost) 
Message-ID: <199511070609.XAA05112@ns2.indirect.com>

This is a composite of something I posted on rec.radio.swap  I never get
much response from that news group. Anyway I have tried unsuccessfully to
dispose of these tubes so rather than take them to the landfill I will
donate them to anyone who has a real use for them. All I will ask is to have
my out of pocket expenses covered.

 1. 2 811A tubes. One is made in the USSR but carries the Raytheon label.
The other is made in the USA. I have no idea of their condition except that
their filaments are OK. They look unused.

 2. 8 829B tubes. 4 of these are Amperex in their original boxes, 1 is an
RCA also in a box and there are 3 unboxed ones. At someone's suggestion I
called AES who offered me $1.25 which I respectfully declined. I would
rather give them to someone who can use them.

Finally if there is anyone out there who collects transmitting tubes I have
a few strange ones with no apparent use except for display.

Reply   dmedley@indirect.com


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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 09:17:50 -0500
>From: MICHAEL@ecs.umass.edu
To: GLOWBUGS@THEPORCH.COM
Subject: Re: identificationmarkings
Message-ID: <01HXCUHSBEWYAW22KG@ECS.UMASS.EDU>

>that the old markings could be enhanced/detected by spraying 'something' on
>to the glass, rather in the manner of dusting for finger prints I suppose,
>but it was a long time ago.

>Anyone got any ideas what the 'something' is, or is it just a case of
>faulty memory on my part?

I've forwarded to Peter some of the helpful responses I got from the BA
group when I asked this question back in August.

John Michael        michael@ecs.umass.edu

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:39:29 -0500
>From: The2X4@aol.com
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: EASYTRAX drawing program.
Message-ID: <951107093928_15118903@emout04.mail.aol.com>

Hello hello.

Two users logged on and got the program last night. Joe and Robert.

Please return comments about it to us if you will, gentlemen.

The time slot last night worked fine for me. It was apparently not
convenient for others. I will change the time slot for today.

The program will be available from 6PM CST til 10PM this evening.
Thats 11/07/95 6PM CST until 10PM.
The # here is (615) 847-9704. It will take 6 to 7 minutes to transfer at
14.4.

BTW: Mike did you get the program running?

Carl
The2x4

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:42:09 +0100 (MET)
>From: Duncan Cadd <dcadd@luc.ac.be>
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Cc: dcadd@luc.ac.be
Subject: GB- xtal protection / homebrew tubes
Message-ID: <9511071442.AA18341@alpha.luc.ac.be>

Greetings, Folks, from a dull, cold and dry Diepenbeek in N.E. Belgium!



Jeff, I recall reading on the BA list ages ago that the thing to do is stick
a 6V 60mA bulb in series with the crystal to reduce the chance of it fracturing
- I think in Colonial parlance this is a type #47 lamp but don't take my word
for it, I'm going from memory.


The subject of homebrew tubes comes up from time to time.  If anyone ever does
this, they may find Goodfellow Metals useful to know.  They DO have a US site,
Goodfellow Corp. Berwyn, PA, but the UK cat doesn't give address details, so
if interested you'll need to contact the UK general enquiries desk.  Email
details follow:

***ALL UK BASED***
Catalogue sales:  sales@goodfellow.com
Technical enquiries:  tech@goodfellow.com
General enquiries:  enq@goodfellow.com  (this one to ask for cat)


So what are they good for ?  Examples:

cat #

PT005103  0.002mm Wollaston wire (platinum with a silver sheath which you 
          etch off with 10% nitric acid to leave a 0.002mm wire) 
          10cm 110 UK pounds - what used for - 1910/1920 vintage electrolytic
          detectors  (see Lindsay's reprint of H.W. Secor's "The How and Why
          of Radio Apparatus)  and also the "thermal telephone" (same ref!)
          Maybe interesting for the restorer/museum curator (or wealthy ham!)
FE045400  1mm Kovar wire 5m long 35.4 UK pounds used for metal/glass seals
W145300   1% Thoriated tungsten wire diam 0.125mm 10m long 39.8 UK pounds
          used for valve filaments!!!

Plus LOADS of other goodies.  VISA, Mastercard & Eurocard accepted.

If interested, you might want to contact these people.  No minimum order and
carriage etc included in price.  VAT to be paid in UK and EU.  Usual 
disclaimers.
73,

Duncan  ON9CHU  /  G0UTY   G-QRP 8117

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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 11:00:38 -0500 (EST)
>From: Greg Wasik <greg@willie.nl.nuwc.navy.mil>
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Looking for a choke...
Message-ID: <ACC4ECD6@willie.nl.nuwc.navy.mil>


--Boundary (ID aKIk5dl0fM7YMOUi7zyUMg)
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN

Greetings everyone. This forum is really what ham radio should be...
building and experimenting with stuff that glows in the dark.

Anyway, I have an amplifier project that I am slowly acquiring parts for.
I am working on the power supply right now. I have a pole transformer that
gives me 3900 volts rms with a 240 input. I want to end up with 3800 volts at
a couple of amps to provide for a pair of 8877s. The 8877s are low voltage guys 
and 4 KV is the max rating of plate voltage. So I am thinking of a choke input 
filter after the rectumfiers. This should give me  ~.9 x 3900(rms AC) =3500 
which is just about what I need.  So does anyone know of a source or supply for 
a choke that is 2H at 2A and rated for 4 KV? I would rather go this route than 
use large variacs on the primary and a capacitive input filter. 

Greg KD1PL


--Boundary (ID aKIk5dl0fM7YMOUi7zyUMg)--

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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 12:24:29 EST
>From: clarke@next3.acme.ist.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a choke...
Message-ID: <9411071724.AA06413@next3.acme.ist.ucf.edu>

>I want to end up with 3800 volts at
>a couple of amps to provide for a pair of 8877s

I thought this was a QRP list :-)
What's this for? RF induction heating?

> a choke that is 2H at 2A and rated for 4 KV

Two henries is good for 2A, but if you are doing other
than CW, the voltage will rise when the supply current
drops.  You might need a larger choke for the lower currents
or a swinging choke.

At any rate Fair radio has a 2H at 1.6Amp choke for $25
(55 lbs)  


Tom Clarke
KE4VFH

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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 11:56:00 EST
>From: "Gable, Edward M" <emg@rfpo2.rfc.comm.harris.com>
To: glowbugs <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Subject: RE: GB- xtal protection
Message-ID: <309F9DFF@smtpgate.rfc.comm.harris.com>


Jeff, I recall reading on the BA list ages ago that the thing to do is stick
a 6V 60mA bulb in series with the crystal to reduce the chance of it
fracturing
 - I think in Colonial parlance this is a type #47 lamp but don't take my 
word
for it, I'm going from memory.
+++++++++
Duncan - Your close, but here in the Colonies the type
47 is 6-9V @ .15 Amp.  The only .06 A variety are the
type 48 (screw base) and type 49 (bayonet base), both
rated at 2.0 volts.   Now, aren't you glad I cleared that
right up - HiHi.  I've seen type 47's used but the 48/49
seem more sensitive.   Cheerio, 73  Ed K2MP
emg@rfc.comm.harris.com   Near Rochester


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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:18:01 -0600
>From: pmills@cyberhouse.com (Phil Mills)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a choke...
Message-ID: <199511071718.LAA13450@ns.cyberhouse.com>

I thought 8 KW was QRP.....

thanks,
Phil 

>>I want to end up with 3800 volts at
>>a couple of amps to provide for a pair of 8877s
>
>I thought this was a QRP list :-)
>What's this for? RF induction heating?
>
Phil Mills, AB5TH
pmills@cyberhouse.com
713-482-2763


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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 11:22:15 +0600
>From: Conard Murray <cfm@tntech.edu>
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: QRP
Message-ID: <01HXCYXUF9RMI1BQ5V@tntech.edu>


> I thought this was a QRP list :-)
> What's this for? RF induction heating?
> 
I don't want to confine the list to just QRP. I think that new 
construction using firebottles is enough.
73 all de Conard ws4s
 Conard Murray, WS4S   *  Microcomputer Support Specialist
 217 Dyer Avenue       *  D. W. Mattson Computer Center
 Cookeville, TN 38501  *  Clement Hall 227B
 615-526-4093          *  372-3982
***********************************************************
      Firebottle Junkie and Glowbugs listkeeper
   cfm@tntech.edu (work)     ws4s@midtenn.net (home)

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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 95 12:15:00 EST
>From: "Gable, Edward M" <emg@rfpo2.rfc.comm.harris.com>
To: glowbugs <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Subject: RE: Looking for a choke...
Message-ID: <309FA407@smtpgate.rfc.comm.harris.com>


Greg wrote:
>Greetings everyone. This forum is really what ham radio should be...
>building and experimenting with stuff that glows in the dark.
>Anyway, I have an amplifier project ---  I want to end up with 3800 volts 
at
>a couple of amps to provide for a pair of 8877s.
+++++++++
Sorry Greg - 8877's don't glow .   Let's see now;  3800Vx2A=7600W input
at a modest 55% efficiency = 4180W output.   "Hello, can you hear me now"
Gee, ya  should go with a pair of 4-1000's, now THEY glow!   Good luck
with your project - I'll see (no, hear) you in the pile ups.  73,  Ed K2MP

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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 11:49:04 +0600
>From: cfm@tntech.edu
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: qrp...qro...voa?
Message-ID: <01HXCZUQAUCYI1CGMZ@tntech.edu>

OK...I wasn't looking too close at that one...I guess we do need to 
keep this stuff legal ;-)

73 de conard

 Conard Murray, WS4S   *  Microcomputer Support Specialist
 217 Dyer Avenue       *  D. W. Mattson Computer Center
 Cookeville, TN 38501  *  Tennessee Tech University
 615-526-4093          *  372-3982 voice  372-6172 fax
***********************************************************
      Firebottle Junkie and Glowbugs listkeeper
   cfm@tntech.edu (work)     ws4s@midtenn.net (home)

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Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 12:18:32 -0600
>From: thaake@bsm2ee1.attmail.com (thaake)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: GB Transformer winding
Message-ID: <PMX-TERM-2.02-bsm2ee1-thaake-30>



Bugites,

I have been collecting information on the building of transformers and have
some specifics on the "disassembly" of transformers.  The cost is a SASE.  I'd
rather send it in the mail versus discussing it here since there is other
valuable info in the print that you may also want.  I haven't tried the method
the article describes which is burning the entire core.  I have successfully
disassembled power transformer cores in my kitchen oven but have refrained
from doing it very often because of the stink.  Maybe burning it has some
merit.  Anyway my method works and I am sure the article describes at least an
equally acceptable way.  BTW, the article is a start to finish discussion with
examples and pictures.

Tim Haake
128 Lakepoint Drive
St. Peters, MO 63376


Tim WA0TSY
thaake@bsm2ee1.attmail.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 12:45:05 CST
>From: djw@unlinfo.unl.edu (Daniel Wright)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a choke...
Message-ID: <9511071845.AA00258@unlinfo2.unl.edu>

>I thought 8 KW was QRP.....
>
>thanks,
>Phil 

There's a very fine fellow who haunts these electronic environs who told
me the FCC rules state that "the minimum power required to make contact
is always equal to the maximum power available"....or some such..(;>..

dan ..WA0JRD and
djw@unlinfo.unl.edu


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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:49:33 -0600 (CST)
>From: hawley@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Chuck Hawley)
To: clarke@next3.acme.ist.ucf.edu
Cc: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a choke...
Message-ID: <199511071849.MAA23796@aries.scs.uiuc.edu>


> 
> >I want to end up with 3800 volts at
> >a couple of amps to provide for a pair of 8877s
> 
> I thought this was a QRP list :-)
> What's this for? RF induction heating?
> 
> > a choke that is 2H at 2A and rated for 4 KV
> 
> Two henries is good for 2A, but if you are doing other
> than CW, the voltage will rise when the supply current
> drops.  You might need a larger choke for the lower currents
> or a swinging choke.
> 
> At any rate Fair radio has a 2H at 1.6Amp choke for $25
> (55 lbs)  
> 
> 
> Tom Clarke
> KE4VFH
> 

What you can do is tune the choke....put a capacitor across the choke
which makes the parallel combination a high impedance at 120 Hertz.
The charging of the storage capacitor is limited by the high impedance
during low current draw, and the voltage across the storage cap will
stay near the average charging voltage instead of charging up to peak.
When current is drawn, the choke inductance will go down, detuning the 
near resonance parallel combo, and allowing the cap to charge from the 
low impedance of the diode bridge and the now untuned choke.
Stay on the side of resonance that will not allow the parallel combo
to go thru resonance (highest impedance) as the choke inductance 
goes down as higher current is drawn. The choke does not have to be
a swinging choke, a regular choke will change (lower) inductance enough
to produce the desired effect. Look at power supplies by Henry (no pun
intended) and Collins (516F-2 800 Volt supply is a good example).
2*pi*f equals one over the square root of L*C.....by the way.
73.
Chuck, KE9UW

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Date:  Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:49:54 -1000
>From: Jeffrey Herman <jherman@hawaii.edu>
To: Phil Mills <pmills@cyberhouse.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for a choke...
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.91.951107094628.26211A-100000@uhunix2.its.Hawaii.Edu>

Maybe QROp or QRPo? In any respect, I hope we can encourage building
with tubes no matter what the input power will be. 

Jeff NH6IL

On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, Phil Mills wrote:

> I thought 8 KW was QRP.....
> 
> thanks,
> Phil 
> 
> >>I want to end up with 3800 volts at
> >>a couple of amps to provide for a pair of 8877s
> >
> >I thought this was a QRP list :-)
> >What's this for? RF induction heating?
> >
> Phil Mills, AB5TH
> pmills@cyberhouse.com
> 713-482-2763
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:05:30 -0700
>From: dmedley@indirect.com (David Medley)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Transmitting Tubes
Message-ID: <199511072205.PAA27823@ns2.indirect.com>

Here is the promised list of transmitting and misc. tubes

 1. In boxes probably good except where noted.

     2E26,6AS7,4X150A,46(3),6HF5(3),812A,813 (suspect),872A(2),CHY1616(2)

 2. Unboxed

    4X150A(4),RK60(2),4C35(4),4E27,Eimac 100TH (2 1
suspect),HY114B,572B(suspect),UV203A,802,808,807,815(2),828,715B,8165(Eimac)
,810(suspect),872A(2),836,CUE 38111A,CL1006,CWL327A,866A(2),1616,8003,8025

The way I would like to handle this is to ask first if anyone has a specific
need for any of these tubes as spares for an existing unit or for an HB
project. I will negotiate a nominal price with respondents directly. The
tubes that are marked suspect are freebies. Some of these tubes must be
worth something to someone. The 829B/811A freebies went quickly to many
different respondents. I tried to be fair to all who replied. Reply directly
to  dmedley@indirect.com






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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 18:43:05 EST
>From: shiso@ici.net (Bruce Gavin /KD1MW)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Eimac Y514, ID
Message-ID: <9511072343.AA08628@ici.net>

        I am looking for ID and basic opperating characteristics for the
Eimac Y514 tube. Got a pair of these tubes with sockets out of some sort of
industrial high voltage power supply and wondering about pressing them into
RF service.
Thanks; Bruce



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       GLOWBUGS Digest 12

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Looking for a choke...
 by Bill Turner <wrt@eskimo.com>
  2) NEED:  Heathkit Manual for MR-11
 by "Gary H. Harmon, Jr." <gharmon@legend.txdirect.net>
  3) Re: EASYTRAX drawing program.
 by mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce)
  4) EASYTRAX drawing program
 by The2X4@aol.com
  5) FS:  Heathkit SB-100
 by "Gary H. Harmon, Jr." <gharmon@legend.txdirect.net>
  6) TEKTRONIC LIST MAILED
 by David Stinson <72227.1640@compuserve.com>
  7) 6HF5 tubes
 by dmedley@mail.hvs.com
  8) 811A tubes
 by dmedley@mail.hvs.com
  9) Re: 6HF5 tubes
 by Dave Hockaday <wb4iuy@nando.net>
 10) Power Transformers
 by "Tony Stalls (K4KYO)" <j38@clark.net>
 11) Re: EASYTRAX drawing program.
 by steve@hi.com (Steve Byan)
 12) Re: Looking for a choke...
 by Greg Wasik <greg@willie.nl.nuwc.navy.mil>
 13) GLOWBUGS (great book for simple toob plans)
 by Stan Skelton <sskelton@cln.etc.bc.ca>
 14) Attention All Canadians (eh?)
 by Stan Skelton <sskelton@cln.etc.bc.ca>
 15) GB 6L6 sub (was great book for simple toob plans)
 by mjsilva@ix.netcom.com (michael silva)
 16) sp-200 power supply needed
 by HAMRLUND@aol.com
 17) Re: GB 6L6 sub (was great book for simple toob plans)
 by pmills@cyberhouse.com (Phil Mills)
 18) want to locate rack mount kit for HRO-500
 by HAMRLUND@aol.com
 19) Re: QRP
 by "Tony Stalls (K4KYO)" <j38@clark.net>

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 19:55:01 -0800
>From: Bill Turner <wrt@eskimo.com>
To: greg@willie.nl.nuwc.navy.mil,
Subject: Re: Looking for a choke...
Message-ID: <199511080355.TAA18771@mail.eskimo.com>

At 10:02 AM 11/7/95 -0600, Greg Wasik wrote:
-snip-
>which is just about what I need.  So does anyone know of a source or supply
for 
>a choke that is 2H at 2A and rated for 4 KV? I would rather go this route than 
>use large variacs on the primary and a capacitive input filter. 
>
---------------------------------------------------------------
A word of caution -- maybe you've already thought about this, but just in
case...
Choke input filters are rarely used in amplifiers for SSB, due to their
tendency to try to maintain current flow at a constant level.  With the
rapidly varying current drain of an SSB signal, a capacitor-only filter
works very well and eliminates the "inductive kick" problem.  Two henries is
not a lot of inductance, so the problem shouldn't be TOO large, but on the
other hand, why have it at all?  Personally, I'd go with the variac and the
capacitor input.

73, Bill  W7LZP
wrt@eskimo.com


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 22:18:43 -0600
>From: "Gary H. Harmon, Jr." <gharmon@legend.txdirect.net>
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: NEED:  Heathkit Manual for MR-11
Message-ID: <9511080418.AA13394@legend>

Am I the only person with one of these radios?  It's a MR-11 Mariner DF
receiver.  None of the manual places have it in stock.  Heath wants $40 for
a copy!  NOT!!!  Anyone have one?  Please let me know.  73, GARY
========================================================================
Gary H. Harmon, Jr., K5JWK   gharmon@txdirect.net
6302 Robin Forest    K5JWK@K3WGF.STX.USA.NOAM
San Antonio, TX 78239



------------------------------

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 21:21:10 -0800 (PST)
>From: mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce)
To: The2X4@aol.com
Cc: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: EASYTRAX drawing program.
Message-ID: <199511080521.VAA22427@netcom15.netcom.com>

> The time slot last night worked fine for me. It was apparently not
> convenient for others. I will change the time slot for today.
> 
> The program will be available from 6PM CST til 10PM this evening.
> Thats 11/07/95 6PM CST until 10PM.
> The # here is (615) 847-9704. It will take 6 to 7 minutes to transfer at
> 14.4.

For me it's not the timeslot that's inconvenient, it's the mode.  Can
someone please post easytrax to an ftp site?

tnx & 73,  de km6wt
-- 
Mont Pierce

+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Ham Call: KM6WT             Internet:  mont@netcom.com                  |
|    bands: 80/40/20/15/10/2                                              |
|    modes: cw,ssb,fm                                                     |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 00:32:32 -0500
>From: The2X4@aol.com
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: EASYTRAX drawing program
Message-ID: <951108003231_82144493@emout05.mail.aol.com>

Glad to see a few more got the program this evening.

I have the program on my main BBS but it is 2400 baud. Takes a long time
that way.

Call me at (615) 847-9704. I'll set this system up on host mode at 14.4 on a
per
request basis. That takes about 6 minutes to download.

I suggest you wait for comments on how others view the program. 

I am sold on EASYTRAX as a standard. In fact I'm already making a few tube
symbols
for my own use. Started with the 6146. I'm also checking on MAC
compatibility.

BTW: Easyplot, the printing program for EASYTRAX , has HP plotter file
output.
That may provide a degree of compatibility for MAC users. Still it doesn't
provide
the interactivity PC users would have.

Also EASYTRAX has a manual that can be printed out for quick reference.

Carl

  

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 06:27:49 -0600
>From: "Gary H. Harmon, Jr." <gharmon@legend.txdirect.net>
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: FS:  Heathkit SB-100
Message-ID: <9511081227.AA20774@legend>

Exceptional SB-100 HF transceiver with HP-23 AC supply, HS-24 speaker, desk
mike, and manuals.  $200.  Trades considered.  Drop me a line if interested.
If necessary, you can call me at (210) 657-1549 after 6PM CST.
Thanks and 73, GARY
========================================================================
Gary H. Harmon, Jr., K5JWK   gharmon@txdirect.net
6302 Robin Forest    K5JWK@K3WGF.STX.USA.NOAM
San Antonio, TX 78239



------------------------------

Date: 08 Nov 95 08:26:11 EST
>From: David Stinson <72227.1640@compuserve.com>
To: mailing list <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Cc: mailing list <boatanchors@theporch.com>
Subject: TEKTRONIC LIST MAILED
Message-ID: <951108132611_72227.1640_EHM79-1@CompuServe.COM>

I finally finished the Tektronic pieces-parts list and mailed it 
to the people who wrote.  There are no plug-ins, CRTs or
tubes on the list.  Just probes, accessories, test jigs and etc.

If you want the listing, please email me.  
Please do not post back to the mailing list.

TNX DE Dave AB5S/7
72227.1640@compuserve.com


------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:04:54 +0500 
>From: dmedley@mail.hvs.com
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: 6HF5 tubes
Message-ID: <199511081337.GAA19135@bud.indirect.com>

These are sweep tubes I believe but are they useful for anything else?
I know some rice boxes used sweep tubes but I don't know if these are
applicable. Anyone interested? Anyone want them?
Reply  dmedley@indirect.com



------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:10:54 +0500 
>From: dmedley@mail.hvs.com
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: 811A tubes
Message-ID: <199511081338.GAA19173@bud.indirect.com>

I have 2 811A tubes looking for a home. One is made in the USSR but has
the Raytheon name the other is US made. Both have good filaments and
that is all I can tell you. I will donate these to someone who has a
real use for them and is willing to take the risk that they are no good.
They look fine.  Reply   dmedley@indirect.com



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 95 09:23:33 EST
>From: Dave Hockaday <wb4iuy@nando.net>
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: 6HF5 tubes
Message-ID: <9511081423.AA05510@merlin.nando.net>

At 07:40 AM 11/8/95 -0600, you wrote:
>These are sweep tubes I believe but are they useful for anything else?
>I know some rice boxes used sweep tubes but I don't know if these are
>applicable. Anyone interested? Anyone want them?

These were used in several models of the WRL Galaxy transceivers. I owned
the Galaxy III, V, and V mk3. They all used a pair of the 6HF5's in the PA.
73 de WB4IUY


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:45:29 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Tony Stalls (K4KYO)" <j38@clark.net>
To: GLOWBUGS <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Subject: Power Transformers
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951108092404.24920E-100000@clark.net>

A couple of my several tube projects are being held up by power supplies,
thanks to my not being able to find appropriate power transformers and
filter chokes.  Supply #1 needs to put out 560 VDC @ 250 ma., 105 VDC @ 50
ma. and supply #2 needs 1000 VDC @ 350 ma. 

There is a surplus AC supply, the PP-327, that will satisfy the latter 
need if anybody happens to have those fairly rare jewels.

73,
Tony
K4KYO



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:14:41 -0400
>From: steve@hi.com (Steve Byan)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: EASYTRAX drawing program.
Message-ID: <v02130506acc66bc452c6@[140.243.30.128]>

>For me it's not the timeslot that's inconvenient, it's the mode.  Can
>someone please post easytrax to an ftp site?

Easytrax is available from any SimTel mirror, such as oak.oakland.edu, in
the SimTel/msdos/cad/easytrax.zip. Also available through the web at
http://www.acs.oakland.edu/oak/


Steve Byan                                  internet: steve@hi.com
Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc.
1601 Trapelo Road                           phone: (617) 890-0444
Waltham, MA 02154                           FAX: (617) 890-4998



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 95 10:55:04 EST
>From: Greg Wasik <greg@willie.nl.nuwc.navy.mil>
To: wrt@eskimo.com, glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a choke...
Message-ID: <ACC63D0E@willie.nl.nuwc.navy.mil>

>At 10:02 AM 11/7/95 -0600, Greg Wasik wrote:
>-snip-
>>which is just about what I need.  So does anyone know of a source or supply
>for 
>>a choke that is 2H at 2A and rated for 4 KV? I would rather go this route than 

>>use large variacs on the primary and a capacitive input filter. 
>>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>A word of caution -- maybe you've already thought about this, but just in
>case...
>Choke input filters are rarely used in amplifiers for SSB, due to their
>tendency to try to maintain current flow at a constant level.  With the
>rapidly varying current drain of an SSB signal, a capacitor-only filter
>works very well and eliminates the "inductive kick" problem.  Two henries is
>not a lot of inductance, so the problem shouldn't be TOO large, but on the
>other hand, why have it at all?  Personally, I'd go with the variac and the
>capacitor input.
>
>73, Bill  W7LZP
>wrt@eskimo.com
>

Bill

After doing some reading of the responses here and pondering the meaning of 
life,  I now have second thoughts about the choke input filter approach. In 
order to prevent achieving the peak transformer voltage (1.41 Erms) I must 
maintain a critical inductance of Rl/1000 where Rl is the load resistance. If I 
maintain an inductance above the critical inductance I will always be close to 
Edc the average value (.9 rms) -which I desire as to not exceed the 4 KV rating 
of the 8877s.  So I really need a much larger inductor and worst case is  = 
(plate voltage/idling current)/1000 which might be closer to 20H !!!

This might be a bit difficult to find something that large and at that current 
rating. Perhaps you are right Bill I am thinking about going back to the cap 
input approach. Hmmm... Anyone know of a source for a large variac???

Thanks for all the previous comments...

Greg KD1PL



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 08:47:53 -0800 (PST)
>From: Stan Skelton <sskelton@cln.etc.bc.ca>
To: glowbugs list <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Subject: GLOWBUGS (great book for simple toob plans)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9511080850.A10435-0100000@sparky>

Hi all...I have found a treasure trove of great tube ideas, plans
and building instructions for relatively easy tube projects.   It is 
called "101 EASY HAM RADIO PROJECTS" by Robert M. Brown & Tom Kneitel,
published by Howard W. Sams & Co. Inc. / The Bobbs-Merrill Co. Inc.
1968 & 1970 Library of Congress # 68-58088.
 
A partial list of tube projects is: 
 
            One tube 40 meter Transmitter (6JE8)
            20 meter ssb final amp 
(811A)                                   
            400W TVI-Free amplifyer (813)
            mike mixer (12AT7)
            simple plug in VFO (6AK6)
            tunable audio filter (12DT7)
            160 meter VFO (6AK6 & 6V6)
            8-Watts on 160 thru-40 meters (5881) tx
            two tube electronic CW keyer (2X (6SN7))
 
and many many more (some plans are also included for those funny
3 legged things too).....

TtFn...Stan VE7SKT..(use glowbugs in subject line)



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:11:50 -0800 (PST)
>From: Stan Skelton <sskelton@cln.etc.bc.ca>
To: glowbugs list <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Cc: qrp maillist <qrp-l@lehigh.edu>
Subject: Attention All Canadians (eh?)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9511081352.A21095-0100000@sparky>

Hey all Canadians.....listen up eh?...I've seen several
postings requesting info on purchasing electronics supplies
easily available from Canada.....
 
     All Electronics Corp....sells mercury wetted reed relays,
terminals, toroids, transistors, transformers etc. etc. etc.
 
    BEST OF ALL their 1-800 826-5432 number works in Canada!
 
     I've just ordered a catalogue and they seemed pleased to 
send my one here in BC and said they often ship to Canada!
Neat O!
73's  Stan...VE7SKT



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:23:21 -0800
>From: mjsilva@ix.netcom.com (michael silva)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: GB 6L6 sub (was great book for simple toob plans)
Message-ID: <199511081923.LAA15303@ix3.ix.netcom.com>

Stan VE7SKT wrote:
>.... 
>            8-Watts on 160 thru-40 meters (5881) tx
>....

I've just been reading over on rec.audio.tubes that the 5881 (new ones 
made by Sovtek) is a very rugged industrial-type 6L6, and that AES 
sells them for about $8.  The conventional wisdom, BTW, is that Russian 
tubes are pretty decent, but the Chinese ones are a joke.

73,
Mike, KK6GM


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 17:52:45 -0500
>From: HAMRLUND@aol.com
To: GLOWBUGS@theporch.com
Subject: sp-200 power supply needed
Message-ID: <951108175241_101511399@emout05.mail.aol.com>

**Posting this for a friend working with juviniles**

Helping kids learn more about ham radio. i donated an sp-200 reciever.
and now he needs a power supply for it. any help i.e. a complete supply, 
or transformers ect. would be of great help to him. if you have such an
animal, 
and would like to help out a bunch of kids to have fun, learn about ham
radio, and stay out of trouble, Please call Ben at  517-769-6493 after 6:30pm
est please no calls after 
9 pm est (he has a new born & sleep is presious) anything you can do would be
appreciated. if you have other things, working or not, and want to know
they're going to a good cause, give Ben a call.  Thank you for your time.

I can deliver messages as Ben is a local call for me, but prefer you deal
with him.
his call is KG8SX.



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 17:07:27 -0600
>From: pmills@cyberhouse.com (Phil Mills)
To: mjsilva@ix.netcom.com
Cc: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: GB 6L6 sub (was great book for simple toob plans)
Message-ID: <199511082307.RAA18642@ns.cyberhouse.com>

I bought a set of Chinese 811A's from RF Parts Company that were great....but
then RF Parts also guarenteed them....

thanks,
Phil 
>Stan VE7SKT wrote:
>>.... 
>>            8-Watts on 160 thru-40 meters (5881) tx
>>....
>
>I've just been reading over on rec.audio.tubes that the 5881 (new ones 
>made by Sovtek) is a very rugged industrial-type 6L6, and that AES 
>sells them for about $8.  The conventional wisdom, BTW, is that Russian 
>tubes are pretty decent, but the Chinese ones are a joke.
>
>73,
>Mike, KK6GM
>
>
Phil Mills, AB5TH
pmills@cyberhouse.com
713-482-2763


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 18:47:55 -0500
>From: HAMRLUND@aol.com
To: GLOWBUGS@theporch.com
Subject: want to locate rack mount kit for HRO-500
Message-ID: <951108184755_16754289@emout06.mail.aol.com>

would like to find the rack mount adapter kit for the National HRO-500
reciever.
also, first time i've had one of these, they're beautiful and function very
nicely.
thanks
robert

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 18:49:49 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Tony Stalls (K4KYO)" <j38@clark.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Subject: Re: QRP
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951108182904.4904A-100000@clark.net>


On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, Conard Murray wrote:

> 
> > I thought this was a QRP list :-)
> > What's this for? RF induction heating?
> > 
> I don't want to confine the list to just QRP. I think that new 
> construction using firebottles is enough.
> 73 all de Conard ws4s

You can subscribe to the QRP list by sending a message to 
listserv@lehigh.edu with the text: 

          subscribe qrp-l [your name] [your call]

If QRP is your thing, then that list is a must.  All kinds of QRP
construction is discussed there, including tube-type rigs. 


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       GLOWBUGS Digest 13

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) GB:Pre-Tube Technology
 by joe@westonia.com (Joseph Cooper)
  2) Re: Looking for a choke...
 by Kevin J Pease <kevin@mm1001.theporch.com>
  3) Re: Looking for a choke...
 by ralph.hartwell@emachine.com (Ralph Hartwell)
  4) A Raytheon USSR-made tube?
 by Jeffrey Herman <jherman@hawaii.edu>
  5) filter caps
 by Bruce Robertson <brucerob@epas.utoronto.ca>
  6) Re: filter caps
 by weinfurtner@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu (Greg Weinfurtner)
  7) RE: filter caps
 by "Gable, Edward M" <emg@rfpo2.rfc.comm.harris.com>
  8) Re: filter caps
 by torell@sicom.com (Kent Torell)
  9) Re:  filter caps
 by MODSTEPH@ACS.EKU.EDU
 10) RE:  filter caps
 by Paul_Bocci-CPB007@email.mot.com
 11) "TWIST LOK" TYPE MULTI-SECTION ELECTROLYTIC CAPCITORS!
 by Wai Kei Leung <leung@iohk.com>
 12) National NC-140 parts
 by Jim Clark <jclark@asu.edu>
 13) Auto Radio Tubes FS
 by dmedley@indirect.com (David Medley)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 95 19:11 EST
>From: joe@westonia.com (Joseph Cooper)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: GB:Pre-Tube Technology
Message-ID: <m0tDKaB-0010NVC@gpu.westonia.com>

I just got in my current issue of the Xtal Set Society Newsletter, and I
throught I do a little plug for the organization. 

This months issue's main article is on a 'Grounded Loop' xtal set, which has
many of the characteristics of the grounded grid amplifier of tube fame. Its
a simple little thing that uses a loop antenna from an old AM radio (I pick
them up for $1.00 at our local surplus store) and 360 uuf tuning cap. As
with most loop antenna's, you have two coils; the small pickup and the
larger tuning coil. The two coils are run in series with the small coil
being connected to the antenna. At the point where the small coil is
connected to the larger it is grounded. The larger coil is then place in
parallel with the tuning cap and then the xtal is connnected. From there it
goes off to either your head phones or an audio amp.

The curcuit is thus:


Ant....L1........L2.......X......HPhone...
            I  I    I       I            I
            G    C1         C2           G
                             G              
Where

        L1 small loop
        L2 Large Loop
        C1 365 uuf tuning cap
        C2 .002 uf fixed cap
        G  Grounds

There is also a great article on how to match impedence across a curcuit
(eg from antenna to input coil) and other bits an pieces.

I've built several xtal sets based on their designs and have had some great
fun with them. 

If you are interested it's only $9.95 per year for the bi-monthly newsletter
(about 8 pages) and they are at

P.O. Box 3026
St. Louis Mo
63130

And the usual disclamer about me having no monitary interest in the organization
blah de blah blah..

'73s
 
===================================================================
* Joseph Cooper-VE3FMQ  QTH-East York-near Toronto Ontario Canada *
* Interests are:-Lowfer/VLF/BCB Radio-Woodworking-Steam Railroads *
* -Nikola Tesla-Antique Radios-Crystal Radios-Travel-Burmese Cats *
* FAX (416) 423-7782  9:00pm to 5:00pm EDST Monday To Friday Only *
===================================================================




------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 20:25:57 -0600 (CST)
>From: Kevin J Pease <kevin@mm1001.theporch.com>
To: Greg Wasik <greg@willie.nl.nuwc.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: Looking for a choke...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.951108202259.1200A-100000@mm1001.theporch.com>


You should look around for a large Swinging Choke. The swinging choke is 
designed to compensate for varrying load by changing inductance with 
changing current. They do that by saturating their core at higher 
currents thus lowering core permiability and lowering the inductance.

That would solve your problem I have a large swinging xhoke that I will 
be useing for a powersupply for my transmitter. The only thing you need 
to do is ensure a minimum current to maintain regulation.

Kevin J Pease
WB0JZG Mt Juliet, TN.
mm1001.theporch.com


------------------------------

Date: Thu,  9 Nov 1995 00:54:00 GMT
>From: ralph.hartwell@emachine.com (Ralph Hartwell)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a choke...
Message-ID: <9511082026273549@emachine.com>


GW>>Choke input filters are rarely used in amplifiers for SSB, due to their
GW>>tendency to try to maintain current flow at a constant level.  With the

GW>After doing some reading of the responses here and pondering the meaning of
GW>life,  I now have second thoughts about the choke input filter approach. In

  I have built a P/S or two that used a no choke at all but had a BIG
filter cap bank and a hefty xfmr so as to keep the caps charged to
pretty much the peak xfmr voltage all the time.  That eliminates the
choke entirely, but does make for some humongous peak current pulses
through the rectifiers. The advantage is it's relatively cheap, but
beware of the stored charge in the capacitor bank!!

GW>input approach. Hmmm... Anyone know of a source for a large variac???

  How big do you need and what voltage?

   Ralph W5JGV

---
 ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ There are only 3 lawyer jokes...the rest are true stories

------------------------------

Date:  Wed, 8 Nov 1995 21:55:48 -1000
>From: Jeffrey Herman <jherman@hawaii.edu>
To: Boatanchors List <boatanchors@theporch.com>,
Subject: A Raytheon USSR-made tube?
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.91.951108215102.21907A-100000@uhunix3>

>From dmedley@mail.hvs.comWed Nov  8 08:32:36 1995
Subject: 811A tubes
>I have 2 811A tubes looking for a home. One is made in the USSR but has
>the Raytheon name the other is US made. Both have good filaments and
>that is all I can tell you. I will donate these to someone who has a
>real use for them and is willing to take the risk that they are no good.
>They look fine.  Reply   dmedley@indirect.com

How is this possible? Did Raytheon contract with the (old) USSR?
Would that have been legal? Or did the Soviets "pirate" the Raytheon
name?  

Jeff NH6IL



------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:29:14 -0500 (EST)
>From: Bruce Robertson <brucerob@epas.utoronto.ca>
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: filter caps
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.951109081952.4945B-100000@blues.epas.utoronto.ca>

Looking around our local surplus electonics store yesterday, I found 
there were no capacitors over 6 microF with voltage ratings of over 450v. 
Now I have this 400v transformer, see, and a 6L6 that some time soon is 
going to be forced into service. 

The store did have 500 microF caps at 250v. Am I right in assuming that 
one can run these high voltage electrolytics in series and double the 
voltage carrying (while halving the capacitance)?

They also had larger ones with 200v ratings. How close are the tolerances 
on these ratings? With 400v rectified with a silicon bridge, am I going 
to get fireworks with 2 200v caps in series?

Finally, downstairs in the inductor section there was only one biggish 
one: a 1.5 H unit. Am I right in thinking that this is just too small to 
do any good in a cap. input pi filter?

73, VE3UWL

Bruce G. Robertson  Dept. of Classics, U. of T.     


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:37:54 -0400
>From: weinfurtner@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu (Greg Weinfurtner)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: filter caps
Message-ID: <v01510101acc7b105218d@[132.235.72.11]>

>Looking around our local surplus electonics store yesterday, I found
>there were no capacitors over 6 microF with voltage ratings of over 450v.
>Now I have this 400v transformer, see, and a 6L6 that some time soon is
>going to be forced into service.
>
>The store did have 500 microF caps at 250v. Am I right in assuming that
>one can run these high voltage electrolytics in series and double the
>voltage carrying (while halving the capacitance)?
>
>They also had larger ones with 200v ratings. How close are the tolerances
>on these ratings? With 400v rectified with a silicon bridge, am I going
>to get fireworks with 2 200v caps in series?
>
>Finally, downstairs in the inductor section there was only one biggish
>one: a 1.5 H unit. Am I right in thinking that this is just too small to
>do any good in a cap. input pi filter?
>
>73, VE3UWL
>
>Bruce G. Robertson  Dept. of Classics, U. of T.
>


Bruce,
        Sounds like an ongoing problem... lack of HV electrolytics.  Yep
yer right, you'll get twice the voltage rating and half the uf if you
series two of them.  Put a resistor across each of them to keep the voltage
equalized (So one of them doesn't get more than half the total voltage)...
I forget the formula for exactly the right value...100k seems to ring a
bell, but may be someone else can be more exact on this.
        A rule of thumb for full wave bridges is that you will get roughly
1.4 times the AC voltage that you put into the bridge/capacitor section.
In other words: Volts DC= 1.4(ACV).  (If your Simpson 260 voltmeter says 12
volts AC going to the bridge, then you will get 16.8vdc on the filter cap.)
It will vary with what ever filter type you put after that.
        Tolerances on the voltage rating actually allow a little more than
the labeled rating but I always error on the conservative side!  There is
nothing quite as startling than an electrolytic exploding! For my DX 60
which uses about 600 vdc, I replaced the failed caps with ones that had 450
wvdc rating.  Those two in series give a 900 volt rating.

        Good news about HV Electrolytics:  In computer power supplies these
days you'll find they use a switching scheme instead of the conventional
ones.  There are some great caps to be had here!  I am looking at a 200uf
400vdc as I type.  And the size is about 1 1/2inch tall and 1 inch
diameter!  So there may not be such a shortage as we think!

73 de

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*     NN    N  SSSSS  888888  OOOOO   Greg Weinfurtner AEE BSS *
*    N N   N  S      8    8  O   O    Electronic Design Splst  *
*   N  N  N  SSSSS  888888  O   O     Ohio University  Athens  *
*  N   N N      S  8    8  O   O                               *
* N    NN  SSSSS  888888  OOOOO                                *
*                                   Canst thou send lightnings *
*  Amateur Radio NS8O               that they may go and say   *
*                                   unto thee,'Here we are'?   *
* weinfurtner@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu                  Job 38:35 *
****************************************************************



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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 95 09:38:00 EST
>From: "Gable, Edward M" <emg@rfpo2.rfc.comm.harris.com>
To: glowbugs <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Subject: RE: filter caps
Message-ID: <30A22176@smtpgate.rfc.comm.harris.com>


>The store did have 500 microF caps at 250v. Am I right in assuming that
>one can run these high voltage electrolytics in series and double the
>voltage carrying (while halving the capacitance)?

YES, BUT do put equal value resistor across each cap to distribute
the voltage evently.   I'ts convenient to have your power supply bleeder
resistors do this.

>They also had larger ones with 200v ratings. How close are the tolerances
>on these ratings? With 400v rectified with a silicon bridge, am I going
>to get fireworks with 2 200v caps in series?

CAPACITOR VOLTAGE ratings are most often working voltage but the
rule of thumb is to always go higher.   You said "400v rectified" is that
400 VDC after rectification or 400 VAC to be rectified and filtered ?
Don't forget the capacitor charges to the peak AC value so it would
be 400 VAC x 1.414 (less negligible rectifier drop) = 560 VDC, so
you would need three of your 250 volt caps in series with equalizing
resistors.   Good luck with your project.  73,  Ed K2MP @ Rochester
emg@rfc.comm.harris.com


Finally, downstairs in the inductor section there was only one biggish
one: a 1.5 H unit. Am I right in thinking that this is just too small to
do any good in a cap. input pi filter?

73, VE3UWL

Bruce G. Robertson  Dept. of Classics, U. of T.


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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:06:19 -0700
>From: torell@sicom.com (Kent Torell)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: filter caps
Message-ID: <v02130500acc7c6db9626@[192.91.202.41]>

Greg Weinfurtner writes:
>        Good news about HV Electrolytics:  In computer power supplies these
>days you'll find they use a switching scheme instead of the conventional
>ones.  There are some great caps to be had here!  I am looking at a 200uf
>400vdc as I type.  And the size is about 1 1/2inch tall and 1 inch
>diameter!  So there may not be such a shortage as we think!

The "universal" ac input section of an ac to dc switching power suppy (at
least the ones we use) has to be able to accomodate over 220 vac.
Typically, they just go through a rectifier to produce a poorly regulated
input (100 to 400 vdc) into the dc to dc converter section.  As a result,
they need large value, high voltage "hold-up" capacitors.  We use hi-rel
type switchers from Vicor; they have an Express department that will sell
onesy-twosy quantites of their stuff, including hold-up capacitors (with a
goodly markup, I suppose).  There catalog sez:
        Part No         Description             Price
        08376           200V, 270 uF            $4.50
        08377           400V, 270 uF            $7.00
        08378           450V, 470 uF           $12.50

        1-800-735-6200

They take credit cards, and surface shipping is free in the U.S.  Prices
may seem a little high; I haven't checked Newark, ect.  Antique Radio
Supply had some low value electrolytics I used to repair an old tube radio,
but their catalog escapes me at the moment....

Kent Torell   KJ7EY

Kent Torell    torell@sicom.com   602-483-2867
SICOM   7585 E. Redfield, #202   Scottsdale, AZ   85260



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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 11:42:41 -0500 (EST)
>From: MODSTEPH@ACS.EKU.EDU
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re:  filter caps
Message-ID: <01HXFS2U9HZC000LUZ@ACS.EKU.EDU>

     Yes - if you put the capacitors in series you get the voltage added 
and
the capacitance halved -- BUT make sure the voltage is divided evenly 
across
the two (or more) by paralleling each individual capacitor with a high
ohmage resistor (with appropriate wattage rating) - these act to divide
the voltage evenly (same resistance resistors, of  course), and double
as bleeder resistors.

     I have done that same thing in a high power amplifier where could 
not
find high enough voltae rated caps to do the job - works fine - and can
aalso paralllel another series string for more capacitance, if you have
the room.

     73,  Al  N5AIT
modsteph@acs.eku.edu


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Date: 9 Nov 95 11:26:46 -0600
>From: Paul_Bocci-CPB007@email.mot.com
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: RE:  filter caps
Message-ID: <"Macintosh */PRMD=MOT/ADMD=MOT/C=US/"@MHS>


High voltage caps ( up to 400 or 450 Volts) are pretty readily available if 
you are not particular about the form factor.  Digi-Key, amoung others, 
carries Panasonic parts, both high capacitance values (68 to 560 microfarads 
at 400 volts) and lower values ( 1 to 33 at 450 volts).

I have always been very happy with Digi-Key's service.  Their number is 
1-800-344-4539.

73
Paul, K9NO
CPB007@email.mot.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 01:32:39 +0800 (HKT)
>From: Wai Kei Leung <leung@iohk.com>
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: "TWIST LOK" TYPE MULTI-SECTION ELECTROLYTIC CAPCITORS!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.951110012932.6271C-100000@igate.iohk.com>

Dear Sir,

I am looking for following US made "TWIST LOK" STYLE multi-section 
electrolytic capacitors. Please let me know if you have any ready for 
sale, thanks!

1. 4 sections of 10uF / 450V or 475V or 500V 

2. 2 sections of 20uF / 450V or 475V or 500V

3. 3 sections of 20uF / 450V or 475V or 500V

4. 4 sections of 20uF / 450V or 475V or 500V

5. 2 sections of 40uF / 450V or 500V 

6. One section of 40uF / 500V and 3 sections of 20uF / 500V

7. One section of 80uF / 450V + one section 50uF /450V + one section of 
30uF / 450V

8. One section of 200uF to 200uF / 250V to 300V

I also feel interest in other "TWIST LOK" style capacitors.

Thanks for your attention!

Regards,

Wai Kei Leung


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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 13:03:24 -0700
>From: Jim Clark <jclark@asu.edu>
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: National NC-140 parts
Message-ID: <199511092002.NAA02260@x1.asu.edu>

>Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 12:56:18 -0700
>To: Boatanchors
>From: Jim Clark <jclark@asu.edu>
>Subject: National NC-140 parts
>
>I'm trying to restore an NC-140, and need to locate someone
>who is parting out a junker.  I need the Band Spread knob,
>which is identical to the Tuning knob.  It's 2-1/16" dia,
>blue with flutes, no skirt, 1" blue dot in center surrounded
>by silver trim ring.  I also need the parts that link the
>main tuning knob to the tuning cap.  This assembly consists
>of a large disc that mounts on the tuning cap shaft, and two
>pinch-roller discs that mount on the tuning knob shaft.  Sure
>hope somebody can help me out with this....
>Thanks.
>

Jim Clark
e-mail: jclark@asu.edu


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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 13:27:47 -0700
>From: dmedley@indirect.com (David Medley)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Auto Radio Tubes FS
Message-ID: <199511092027.NAA25538@ns2.indirect.com>

Here is a box of tubes which I believe were mostly intended for use in
automobile radios before the invention of the transistor. They are unboxed
and untested but random samples indicate a very high probality of them being
good.

36(2),39(3),39/44(13),44,75(24),77(11),78(28),85(7),89(3)

A total of 92 tubes. $0.40 per tube if you take the box. $0.80 per tube in
smaller lots. OBO and plus S&H of course.

Respond  dmedley@theporch.com


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       GLOWBUGS Digest 14

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Sources for sockets, tools?
 by mjsilva@ix.netcom.com (michael silva)
  2) Choke versus Capacitor Input Filters
 by "Barry L. Ornitz" <u856010@eastman.com>
  3) Battery Tubes
 by dmedley@indirect.com (David Medley)
  4) Big Boo Boo!!!
 by dmedley@indirect.com (David Medley)
  5) HALLICRAFTERS SX-101A SPEAKER 
 by David Stinson <72227.1640@compuserve.com>

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:16:32 -0800
>From: mjsilva@ix.netcom.com (michael silva)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Sources for sockets, tools?
Message-ID: <199511100016.QAA12429@ix13.ix.netcom.com>

Hi, all,

It's always the mundane details...for example, does anybody have a 
source for octal sockets?  My local haunts have 7 and 9 pins, but no 
octals, and I don't want to pay AES' price of almost $3 a pop, so where 
should I look?

Also, where there's a socket there must be a hole (well, usually).  I 
really like the Unibit type of multiple-size bits, and I know some are 
made to go above 1 inch (octals need 1-1/8 inch, I believe), but I 
can't find such a large one locally.  Any suggestions where to look?  I 
know they're expensive, but they're mighty versatile.  Thanks.

73,
Mike, KK6GM


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 20:55:44 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Barry L. Ornitz" <u856010@eastman.com>
To: Glowbugs Mailing List <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Subject: Choke versus Capacitor Input Filters
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.951109205309.28095B-100000@dua150.kpt.emn.com>

I have been waiting to see if anyone else caught this before I replied.  
Evidently no one did so here goes...    Sorry for the length...

Greg Wasik, KD1PL, originally asked about a source for a choke for the 
power supply he was building to go with a 3CX1500A7/8877 amplifier.  He 
had thought about the use of a choke input filter since his available 
transformer voltage was slightly higher than desired.  Bill Turner, 
W7LZP, replied:

    A word of caution -- maybe you've already thought about this, 
    but just in case...

    Choke input filters are rarely used in amplifiers for SSB, due 
    to their tendency to try to maintain current flow at a 
    constant level.  With the rapidly varying current drain of an 
    SSB signal, a capacitor-only filter works very well and 
    eliminates the "inductive kick" problem.  Two henries is
    not a lot of inductance, so the problem shouldn't be TOO 
    large, but on the other hand, why have it at all?  Personally, 
    I'd go with the variac and the capacitor input. 

Choke input filters are rarely used in modern amateur radio amplifiers 
for entirely different reasons.  The foremost reason is cost.  Chokes 
are far more expensive than capacitors.  The second most important 
reason is size and weight.  With the low duty cycle associated with SSB 
amplification, modern manufacturers have accepted the poor transformer 
utilization and poor regulation associated with capacitor-only filters 
as an acceptable trade-off for keeping the cost down.  Of course these 
commercial amplifiers must be derated for continuous duty operation such 
as RTTY, FM, and full carrier AM.  The modern trend of speech 
processing, which increases the average power while maintaining the same 
peak power, also creates problems for these amplifiers.  Of course, the 
distortion associated with speech processing is often so bad that the 
added distortion from the under-rated linear amplifier is often ignored.

Commercial quality amplifiers almost always use choke input filters.  
Look at the big Collins amplifiers or commercial broadcast stations for 
example.  In fact, for really BIG transmitters, multiphase power is 
generally used (usually 6 phase) to minimize the filtering requirements.

I have no idea what Bill means by the "inductive kick" problem.  
Properly sized input chokes DO try to maintain their current flow at a 
constant level, but this is hardly a problem.  That is why the choke is 
there and why properly sized really means "exceeding the critical 
inductance".  Choke input filters give a much better transformer 
utilization factor exactly for this reason.  The demands on the 
rectifiers are far less severe too.  

Perhaps a better way to look at this is to look at a capacitor input, or 
capacitor-only, filter.  The classic analysis by Schade [Schade, O. H.: 
Proceedings I. R. E., 31, 341 (1943)] is probably the best place to 
start.  The basic design curves published by Schade have been reprinted 
countless times, from texts like Reich and Landee to modern 
semiconductor design handbooks like those by National Semiconductor and 
Motorola.  They have even appeared in ARRL Handbooks too.  Without going 
into the details (which everyone contemplating homebrew design should do 
to become familiar with power supply design), it is quite obvious that 
with capacitor input filters, the rectifier current occurs in short, 
high-amplitude pulses.  With large values of capacitance, needed to get 
adequate ripple filtering, the peak to average value of the rectifier 
current can be quite high.  This is not generally a big problem with 
silicon diode rectifiers, but with high vacuum or gas-filled thermionic 
rectifiers, this problem can be severe.  Look in any vacuum tube manual 
and notice how the ratings for rectifiers are substantially reduced when 
capacitor input operation is used.  Even with silicon diodes, the 
transformer current waveform can still be a problem.  Not only do you 
have to worry about transformer saturation, you have to worry about 
noise and voltage spikes sent back into the power line caused by the 
rapid risetime of these current pulses.  

With choke input filters, the rectifier and transformer currents occur 
over larger portions of the AC cycle.  The most desired condition is 
when the inductance is sufficient for the rectifier to pass current 
through a full cycle of the ripple frequency (120 Hz for full-wave 
rectified 60 Hz input).  A simple analysis can be done to calculate the 
limiting value of inductance such that the input just falls to zero at 
the end of the cycle.  For a single-phase full-wave rectifier operating 
at 60 Hz, the inductance works out to be:

               L = Vout/Iout/1132 = Rload/1132.

However, for good regulation the inductance should exceed this value 
over the whole range of load current.  Experimentally Dellenbach and 
Quinby [Dellenbach, F. S. and R. S. Quinby: QST, Feb. 1932, p. 14 with 
subsequent discussion in March and April of the same year] determined 
the value of inductance below which the voltage "soars".  This is the 
relationship usually seen in modern publications:

               Lcrit = Rload/1000.

This also applies to full-wave 60 Hz operation.  A good rule of thumb is 
to provide at least 15% excess inductance over the first equation above.  
The second equation provides an excess of about 13% and is easy to 
remember.  Considering that the inductance of a choke is a function of 
the applied current, it is always better to err on the high side.

To go back to Greg's original application we can look at Eimac's 
specifications for the 3CX1500A3/8877.  For AB2 SSB operation below 30 
MHz, Eimac gives an idle current of 182 mA for a tube voltage of 3500 
volts.  This means that the needed inductance is greater than 
approximately 20 Henries.  The maximum current (single tone) will be 
approximately an amp and the amplifier will provide over 2 KW output.  
This is with a single tube too.  The inductance can be decreased at the 
expense of added current drain on the power transformer.  Using a 35Kohm 
bleeder resistor will add 100 mA to the current draw (and dissipate 350 
watts too), but it will decrease the needed inductance to around 12.5 
Henries, a much more reasonable value.  With an LC filter, it is also 
possible to use considerably smaller values of capacitance to obtain 
adequate ripple reduction too.

An alternate approach to the use of a big choke is the resonant L-C 
filtering scheme used by Collins in several of their amplifiers.  This 
approach minimizes the 120 Hz ripple at the expense of higher values of 
ripple current at higher harmonics.  Since these are rarely of much 
importance with subsequent filtering, this approach can show good 
benefits.  The trade-off is much greater complexity and the need for 
accurate characterization of the choke's inductance under load.  
Pappenfus, Bruene & Schoenike discuss this technique in the book on SSB.

In conclusion, I hope Greg is able to find a big choke adequate for his 
application.  If he cannot, he should at least go through a Schade 
analysis for a capacitor input filter and calculate the peak, RMS, and 
average currents.  He may quickly find that vacuum tube rectifiers will 
be a real problem and that even with silicon diodes, their peak current 
ratings must be considered too.  [A special warning is deserved here.  
Many so-called 1 KV, 2.5 amp diodes have peak current ratings no higher 
than 1N4007 1 KV, 1 amp diodes.  Paying the extra money for real 3 amp 
diodes such as the 1N5408 may be worth it.]

                         73, Barry   WA4VZQ   ornitz@eastman.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 00:18:54 -0700
>From: dmedley@indirect.com (David Medley)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Battery Tubes
Message-ID: <199511100718.AAA25665@bob.indirect.com>

Sometime ago, probably on the BA list, somebody wanted some battery tubes
and I have lost track of the message. If you are still out there in
cyberspace please contact me    dmedley@indirect.com


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 00:29:48 -0700
>From: dmedley@indirect.com (David Medley)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Big Boo Boo!!!
Message-ID: <199511100729.AAA25691@bob.indirect.com>

In my last post re the auto radio tubes I gave some wrong dope re the
response address. It should be:
                       dmedley@indirect.com
Sorry about that
Dave


------------------------------

Date: 10 Nov 95 11:30:40 EST
>From: David Stinson <72227.1640@compuserve.com>
To: mailing list <boatanchors@theporch.com>,
Subject: HALLICRAFTERS SX-101A SPEAKER 
Message-ID: <951110163039_72227.1640_EHM77-2@CompuServe.COM>

Well, since I caught the incurable Civilian Rig disease, 
things have been a little tense around here.
My BC-375 won't talk to me.
She keeps saying I should go see my "maroon floozie." 
And my BC-348 says that the SX-101A's case is 
"probably a bleach-grey."
I keep telling them that my military BA's are my first
true love, and that this is just a one-time fling.
You know how well that went over....

Despite all that, I'm looking for info on the matching 
speaker for the Hallicrafters SX-101A.  What is it
and who gots one? 

After all, if you're going to have a mistress...
do it in style.

God knows it cost enough...

73 DE Dave Stinson AB5S/7




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       GLOWBUGS Digest 15

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) OOPS!
 by David Stinson <72227.1640@compuserve.com>
  2) Re: GB- xtal protection / homebrew tubes
 by Oxyura@aol.com
  3) GB: Home-made tubes
 by Jeffrey Herman <jherman@hawaii.edu>
  4) PACKRATTING
 by David Stinson <72227.1640@compuserve.com>
  5) Re: OOPS!
 by af852@rgfn.epcc.Edu (William R Colbert)
  6) Re: Sources for sockets, tools?
 by Bill Turner <wrt@eskimo.com>
  7) Re: Choke versus Capacitor Input Filters
 by Bill Turner <wrt@eskimo.com>
  8) Re: Choke versus Capacitor Input Filters
 by Kevin J Pease <kevin@mm1001.theporch.com>
  9) FS Battery Tubes
 by dmedley@indirect.com (David Medley)
 10) Re: Choke versus Capacitor Input Filters
 by mjsilva@ix.netcom.com (michael silva)

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Date: 10 Nov 95 21:30:59 EST
>From: David Stinson <72227.1640@compuserve.com>
To: mailing list <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Subject: OOPS!
Message-ID: <951111023059_72227.1640_EHM86-1@CompuServe.COM>

Sorry about the Halliscrachers post, guys.  I forgot this
list is homebrew only.

Say...does this include questions about home-brew
power supplies?  I'm thinking of voltage-doubling the
filiment winding to get 28VDC out of a Drake AC-4
so I can run a home-brew amp.
TNX DE AB5S/7


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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 21:38:28 -0500
>From: Oxyura@aol.com
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: GB- xtal protection / homebrew tubes
Message-ID: <951110213827_103541274@emout06.mail.aol.com>

>The subject of homebrew tubes comes up from time to time.

I would like to know if there is any interest or activity in tube manufacture
(i.e. homebrew tubes).

Thank you. 

William Lund
oxyura@aol.com



------------------------------

Date:  Fri, 10 Nov 1995 20:49:59 -1000
>From: Jeffrey Herman <jherman@hawaii.edu>
To: Glowbugs List <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Subject: GB: Home-made tubes
Message-ID: <Pine.SV4.3.91.951110204614.27318A-100000@uhunix3>

>From the BA  list...     Jeff NH6IL

--------------------begin forwarded message----------------------


>From: "P.A.Marshall" <mirage!pamars@uhura.neoucom.EDU>
I was looking at the april '65 QST, on pages 23..25 there is a short bit
by a Mr. Sam Diaz Pumara about home built vacuum tubes, it's not a lot
but it shows that it can be done.  I don't remember this story being
mentioned in any of the past past discussions on this subject.
Al Marshall "Real Radios Glow in the Dark"   almarshall@acm.org


>From: Gary Gitzen <garyg@cup.hp.com>
If anyone is really serious about trying to make their own tubes, I have
a sub_micron roughing pump and a diffusion pump I could turn loose. I don't
remember the specs on the diffusion pump, but that pair would give a very
respectable vacuum.
Regards,
Gary

------------------------------

Date: 11 Nov 95 09:36:38 EST
>From: David Stinson <72227.1640@compuserve.com>
To: mailing list <boatanchors@theporch.com>,
Subject: PACKRATTING
Message-ID: <951111143638_72227.1640_EHM74-3@CompuServe.COM>

This is an excerpt from a letter to Hank van Cleef.
I thought it a good comment, and you do know
how I love to preach.  Rotten tomatos gracefully 
received in private email.  I'll make spagetti sauce.

"....sometimes find these things in the bottom of a junkbox from a hamfest.
I paid $10 for this box, pulled-out at least $40 worth of tubes that I use
and then handed out the rest.  This is the third time I've found an eye tube
in a cheap junkbox.  I figure it really didn't cost me anything and I don't 
allow myself to packrat stuff I don't use. 

I remember too well when, as a kid, I'd see some guy's garage absolutely 
packed full of BA stuff.  No matter how much I might save or find to trade, 
he wouldn't let any of it go because he was "gonna get around to it some day."

Well, someday never came and they buried him and his stuff
went to the winds.   Lots and lots of BA folks could tell this story.
So, I focus on just those radios I care about and everything
else goes on the block.  Just getting the Johnson was a major
diversion from policy for me...."



------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 95 08:43:02 MST
>From: af852@rgfn.epcc.Edu (William R Colbert)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: OOPS!
Message-ID: <9511111543.AA05751@rgfn.epcc.Edu>



Dave, I don't remember seeing anything restricting this list to
homebrewing only - more to the lowpower end, including the promotion
of homebrew.
 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:07:27 -0800
>From: Bill Turner <wrt@eskimo.com>
To: mjsilva@ix.netcom.com, Multiple recipients of list <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Subject: Re: Sources for sockets, tools?
Message-ID: <199511111707.JAA17651@mail.eskimo.com>

At 06:18 PM 11/9/95 -0600, michael silva wrote:
>Hi, all,
>
>It's always the mundane details...for example, does anybody have a 
>source for octal sockets?  My local haunts have 7 and 9 pins, but no 
>octals, and I don't want to pay AES' price of almost $3 a pop, so where 
>should I look?
>
>Also, where there's a socket there must be a hole (well, usually).  I 
>really like the Unibit type of multiple-size bits, and I know some are 
>made to go above 1 inch (octals need 1-1/8 inch, I believe), but I 
>can't find such a large one locally.  Any suggestions where to look?  I 
>know they're expensive, but they're mighty versatile.  Thanks.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's a thought for mounting octal sockets when you don't want to drill big
holes:  There are several companies making top-mount octal sockets for
plug-in industrial relays.  They mount with just a couple of 6-32 screws and
work fine with tubes too.  They have screw terminals brought out for each
pin, so you just connect a wire under the screw and there you are.  They're
about $4-$5 if bought from the major mail order places, but the surplus
houses often have them at a substantial discount.

73, Bill  W7LZP
wrt@eskimo.com


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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:07:33 -0800
>From: Bill Turner <wrt@eskimo.com>
To: u856010@eastman.com, Multiple recipients of list <glowbugs@theporch.com>
Subject: Re: Choke versus Capacitor Input Filters
Message-ID: <199511111707.JAA17676@mail.eskimo.com>

At 07:57 PM 11/9/95 -0600, Barry L. Ornitz wrote:
>I have been waiting to see if anyone else caught this before I replied.  
>Evidently no one did so here goes...    Sorry for the length...
>
>Greg Wasik, KD1PL, originally asked about a source for a choke for the 
>power supply he was building to go with a 3CX1500A7/8877 amplifier.  He 
>had thought about the use of a choke input filter since his available 
>transformer voltage was slightly higher than desired.  Bill Turner, 
>W7LZP, replied:
>
>    A word of caution -- maybe you've already thought about this, 
>    but just in case...
>
>    Choke input filters are rarely used in amplifiers for SSB, due 
>    to their tendency to try to maintain current flow at a 
>    constant level.  With the rapidly varying current drain of an 
>    SSB signal, a capacitor-only filter works very well and 
>    eliminates the "inductive kick" problem.  Two henries is
>    not a lot of inductance, so the problem shouldn't be TOO 
>    large, but on the other hand, why have it at all?  Personally, 
>    I'd go with the variac and the capacitor input. 
>
>Choke input filters are rarely used in modern amateur radio amplifiers 
>for entirely different reasons.  The foremost reason is cost.  Chokes 
>are far more expensive than capacitors.  The second most important 
>reason is size and weight.  With the low duty cycle associated with SSB 
>amplification, modern manufacturers have accepted the poor transformer 
>utilization and poor regulation associated with capacitor-only filters 
>as an acceptable trade-off for keeping the cost down.  Of course these 
>commercial amplifiers must be derated for continuous duty operation such 
>as RTTY, FM, and full carrier AM.  The modern trend of speech 
>processing, which increases the average power while maintaining the same 
>peak power, also creates problems for these amplifiers.  Of course, the 
>distortion associated with speech processing is often so bad that the 
>added distortion from the under-rated linear amplifier is often ignored.
-snip-
------------------------------------------------------------------
Barry is correct of course about cost, size and weight, but I stand by my
original comment about the rapidly varying current draw and the "inductive
kick" phenomenon.  Inductive kick is familiar to anyone who has powered a
relay coil from DC.  When the power is removed from the coil, the stored
energy in the field attempts to maintain the existing current flow (which it
can't) and the result is a sudden voltage spike across the coil.  Nearly all
designers place a reversed-polarity diode across the coil to absorb the spike.  

In a power supply, the same effect will happen if a choke is supplying a
constant current and the load is suddenly removed (or varied, as with SSB).
The difference in a power supply is that the voltage spike is absorbed by
the output filter capacitor instead of a diode.  My point is that if the
capacitor has to be there anyway, why bother with the choke?  As an
illustration, imagine a power supply with a very large inductance choke and
little or no output capacitance.  For SSB, it simply wouldn't work. The
reverse situation -- big capacitor and little or no choke would work fine.
The reason for that is that a power supply for an SSB transmitter should be
a constant voltage source, not a constant current source.  

Barry's other point about the choke smoothing out the load presented to the
diodes is also correct and as he points out, is especially important when
using tube rectifiers vs solid state diodes.  Properly chosen solid state
diodes are amazingly resistant to surge currents, and I believe should be
used wherever possible, at least at amateur power levels.  

There is one other consideration when using capacitor-only filtering:  The
initial current surge on turn-on needs to be taken into account so no
components are overstressed.  A delay or "step-start" circuit is often used,
and in my own station, I have added one to two different commercial
amplifiers I have.  I chose the component values to allow about three
seconds for the capacitors to charge before the full line voltage is applied
to the transformer.  I've never had a power supply failure with either one,
and I credit that partly to the delay circuit.

I realize the original poster has gotten some conflicting advice here, but
sorting through it should help clarify the issues in his mind, I hope.
Electronic design isn't just pure science -- A famous college textbook is
entitled "The Art of Electronics" for good reason.

73, Bill  W7LZP
wrt@eskimo.com


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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:59:40 -0600 (CST)
>From: Kevin J Pease <kevin@mm1001.theporch.com>
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: Choke versus Capacitor Input Filters
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.951111135124.3541A-100000@mm1001.theporch.com>


We must keep in mind that that inductive kikback is what inductance is 
all about. The higher the inductance the more the kickback. THe chock 
stores a magnetic field and that energy is used to fill in the 0 voltage 
portion of the 120 HZ Pulsating DC. If the chaoc is of the write 
inductance that Kickbck is desireable and needed. Varrying current 
requirements don't com into play here. The inductive kickback of the 
chock is the reason that you don't need large amounts of capacitance in 
the Choke input filter. The voltage will change with load because of the 
capacitor charging useing the inductive kickback as a source of energy. A 
swinging choke will change value to regulate that kickback energy so that 
at low or high current the voltage is constatnt. The only requirement is 
a small minimum current that is dependant on the swinging range of the choke.
That load is normally provided by the bleader resistors which are needed 
for safety anyway. I still feel that the choke input circuit is superior 
to the capacitor input for surge and regulation.


Kevin J Pease
WB0JZG Mt Juliet, TN.
mm1001.theporch.com


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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:04:38 -0700
>From: dmedley@indirect.com (David Medley)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: FS Battery Tubes
Message-ID: <199511112004.NAA07888@ns1.indirect.com>

Here is a box of battery tubes:
1A4(3),1A4P,1A4T(2),1A7GT(5),1A7G(2),1B4(3),1B4T(2),1B5(3),1C6(12),1D5G(2),1
F4,1F5G,1F6G(3),1F6(2),1F7G,1G8G,1H5G(3),1H5GT(2),1H6G(3),1Q5GT,3Q5GT(4)

A total of 56 tubes. These are all unboxed and untested. A random test
indicates a high probability that most if not all are good.

Take the box @$0.50 per tube plus S&H at cost.
Reply  dmedley@indirect.com


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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:31:00 -0800
>From: mjsilva@ix.netcom.com (michael silva)
To: glowbugs@theporch.com
Subject: Re: Choke versus Capacitor Input Filters
Message-ID: <199511112131.NAA17760@ix7.ix.netcom.com>

I have to admit I never considered "inductive kick" possibility in a 
filter choke, even though I deal with it all the time in relays, but 
this must have been dealt with long before SSB.  After all, what is CW 
but full-on/full-off, with a much greater dI/dt than SSB.  It sounds 
like there's more going on in a PS filter than most of us realize.  
It'd be interesting to scope different points on a filter to see what's 
happening.

73,
Mike, KK6GM


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